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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 7, 2011 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: So what's next?

I've barely listened to half of the Euro '72 box, but I can't help wondering what's next?

In spite of the order and shipping snafus, the Grateful Dead have to be quite pleased with sales of this product. It seems like a sure bet that we'll see more releases of this nature. Perhaps not on such a grand scale but who knows?

So whats next?

A '74 Winterland boxed set? The complete '71 Fillmore East run? December '69 at the Fillmore? The Aloha box?

I'm betting on a release of the complete July '76 Orpheum stand.

Any guesses on what we might be seeing in our Kwanza stockings come December?

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Poster: opolaut Date: Sep 7, 2011 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

How about a 3 or 4 cd set each, featuring the best jams from the East, Midwest and West venues. Could even put the content to a vote on Deadnet.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 7, 2011 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

thats a neat idea. Best of the Midwest, or so the soccer tournament is called.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 7, 2011 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

That just sounds like a Road Trips. Geez, don't give them more excuses to chop up shows!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 8, 2011 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

Hear! Hear! Like 3-24-90 or 9-19-90 or .....

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 7, 2011 9:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

lmao. I at times enjoy the idea of a mix. An accumulation of gems. Yet I tend to disagree with the gems selected.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 8, 2011 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

This is my biggest gripe with the road trips series. If they want to release parts of lesser or inconsistent performances, that's cool with me. Some shows are not worth hearing all the way through imo. But how can they chop gems like 12/6/73 or 6/16/74!?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 7, 2011 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

How about doing something REALLY different and packaging ALL New Year's shows? Or, even more strange, ALL Avalon Ballroom shows?

I know, I know, the purists will cringe, and I don't much care these days, but I was thinking some other "theme" than consecutive nights might be interesting...

How about ALL shows sans Donna DURING the Donna years? Too mean spirited?

;)

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 8, 2011 2:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

It's unlikely to happen but there might be enough interest to repeat the formula and put together a box set of the Europe tour from Autumn 1981. (The last great tour IMHO).

I probably couldn't afford that either.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 7, 2011 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I personally hope it is an Alpine 89 box set. I've suggested it to David L before.

What are your thoughts on the 3 night run at ALpine in 1989 CLiff?

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Sep 7, 2011 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I would buy that Alpine box set. I'm sure Cliff doesn't like it. I would buy summer 89 or summer 90 and a bunch of other box sets.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 7, 2011 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

That Alpine set was great. Seminal music, fantastic times. I loved hanging with my friends for the entire run. Alpine was just an amazing venue.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 7, 2011 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

It sure is. I didn't go there this summer. sad face.

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Sep 7, 2011 11:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I was already thinking about the acoustic sets from both Warfield and Radio City. They could release a box that has just all the acoustic songs or a non complete sampler that has one of each song played. I don't think the electric sets from those runs are all that however.

May 77 might be the only thing in the bag that would be as epic as Euro 72, but there aren't the missing boards to hook us there was with the European tour.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 8, 2011 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I have never listened to those shows. In fact, although I own all the various official releases from 1989, I dont recall listening to anything from that year recently, with the exception of 10/8-9/89...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 8, 2011 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

Well dear god almighty. 1989-07-(17-19). Don't know if you've ever heard desolation row by the dead but this is certainly by and large the best version I've ever heard (7-19). The deal that comes after is also likely my all time favorite. I could go on and on about these shows, they are executed as good as anything from 89. And they are the pinnacle of 89 IMO. Its just a shame they didnt bring back dark star during these shows.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 8, 2011 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

Best Desolation Row (Bette Davis style)

http://tinyurl.com/3ggha76

7-19-89 is way up there too

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 8, 2011 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

thanks for the suggestion.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 8, 2011 6:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I, who am still waiting for my box (credit card screw up...GRRRR), hope that they don't get their hopes too high . The E72 tour is a one of a kind thing . I seriously don't expect another big ass set anytime soon . A spring 90 set has been mentioned , and it is in multi track . However the Winterland 73, and 77 sets are not , so who knows . Lets us not forget that for many of the suggestions here, the tapes are missing, or incomplete . Some 76, is my vote, and there are still swaths that have been untouched . I just think they will never get anything with so much buzz .In other words, for cds, this is it .

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Sep 8, 2011 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I'd be hard-pressed to think of another box set based on a tour they did that would make any sense. E72 was unique in its consistency, I don't know that any other two-month long tours they did were ever as solid. (Note: I did not by complete E72, I'm considering it but it's definitely not going to happen any time soon)

However, my vote for next box set would be the entire 1968 recordings. Sure, they would all be yanked from this site, but how cool would that be! Considering the gems they uncovered for RT 2.2, I'm hopeful that there are a few 1968 shows in the vault that we don't have here.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 8, 2011 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

MC, I'm not sure a '68 release would be a good thing. It's already here in Bear style for all. This may be heretical, but I did not enjoy RT 2.2. I preferred the sound on my old analog source. I wanted to keep on thinking the clarity and cleanliness was an improvement.
And what would cc, WT, CH, and every other '68 freak do after writing some scorching posts? And newbies couldn't know the rush and power with an easy click ('68 needed for all of course).
I agree with you that E'72 is unique and won't be touched for it's high consistency and length (plus its mythos in GD history). I can't wait until the threads start popping up after folks have listened to it all (or most). How it sounds, overall impressions, best CD #'s, ect.. (<-- v, I probably screwed that ect. up again)

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 8, 2011 4:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

micah, I would be devastated! Lucky I have almost everything I could hope to obtain from this era, but like you said, what about everyone else who hasn't discovered the magic of it yet!?

I would be equally saddened to see the Jan./Feb. '69 shows taken down, but the sound quality of most of what we have from early '69 is poor at best. But I can't imagine what it would be like to hear all these in vault sound quality!

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Sep 8, 2011 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I expect many others agree with you on that - perhaps even myself after some revisiting of the sources I've got. Just a random thought.

Man, I haven't actually listened to any dead in like 3 months. I've been re-exploring my jazz records and purchasing new ones. Definitely the longest I've gone without any dead in over 3 years.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 8, 2011 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

Bringing it all back home.

http://tinyurl.com/3r9fuym

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 7, 2011 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

while some of us are pining away wondering if our families can live a month on ramen noodles so we can afford the box set you have the nerve to ask for MORE? Well to me the Europe 72 is THE tour of all tours THE creme de la creme.Fillmore 71 is worthy but they did Ladies and Gentlemen so I don't think they would. I'd say as far as consistency that May 77 ranks up there. Winterland 78 has been done, Winterland Oct run was done for Dead Movie. Personally I'm not as in love with the Feb 74 run as some compared to OTHER runs that is but those have been done 11/73, June 77. So to be honest I'm kind of at a loss. So many runs or mostly complete runs and shows have been released. I don't think the Orpheum is a bad choice at all plus 76 has been pretty much neglected.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 7, 2011 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

Europe 1972 is a tough act to follow. I'm still listening to 4/08 and moving deliberately at a snail's pace - this box could just about last me through the holidays.

The sound is incredible so far. The 04/07 transition between China Cat and Rider has Bob and Jerry finishing each other's thoughts and is one of the most beautiful examples I've ever heard of the way those two interplayed when they were on it.

What's with the vocals on the 04/08 Cumberland? They sound way off. Did they have to go back to the Europe '72 masters and "dirty down" the studio vocals to match the live music or what?

Orpheum 1976 is a great choice.

I think the Warfield/Radio City acoustic sets are well covered by the expanded "Reckoning," and the electric sets are not too highly regarded, so I kind of doubt that.

As others said, isn't most of May '77 already out?

Personally I'd love a Spring 1981 show or two but that's just me.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 7, 2011 3:45pm
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May 7th, 8th and 9th ('77) have not. I'm thinking about what's left that could be in the same mix as E'72. I don't know what value can be added sonically to those dates, but I'm sure some can. Add a nice package and there it is, 5K+ units. Probably more.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 7, 2011 4:24pm
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I'll have to give 05/09 a serious listen because I don't really know it, but I would buy those dates for sure.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 7, 2011 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

aaahhhh you must! Many regard the 9th as better than the 8th, and I don't argue with them.

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Sep 8, 2011 2:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

Many great suggestions here.
I like the July 76 idea.
But realistically, I doubt
there will be another release
of more than a 3-4 show run
anytime soon. They've pretty
much rang the bell with this
Europe 72 trunk and there's nowhere
to go but down from here.

They tend to mix up the decades
with what they release, so after
a 1972 release I'm guessing we're
looking at a 69-70 box, with some
non-circulating SBD's - some missing
SBD's from the summer of 1970 would
particularly be welcome
or -
they'll tap into the 80's (my best bet)
The Alpine 89 shows someone mentioned
is a good one. As is the Warfield 1980
run. A box release from the early 80's
has been sorely neglected so far.
It would have to be a 3 or 4 night run
to equal the Winterland 73 box.

That being said, I doubt we'll see
another multi-show release until next
year. IMHO, they need to come up with
a single show release to replace
Dick's Picks series.
But does this 72 set prove that there
are plenty of Deadheads who will still
buy mass quanities of shows? Oh yes
indeed, and they won't miss the chance
to release more.
I have my gripes with Rhino, but I have
to say they have done it right (except
maybe the packaging) this time. If the
Dead had not turned over their vault to Rhino,
would this 72 trunk have ever been released??
Doubtful.
enjoy your trunks of bliss you lucky
bastards!!
cheers,
Dr. Flashback :-)

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Poster: feather0926 Date: Sep 9, 2011 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I'd like to see a Spring '90 or Boston '91 box set. However the Orpheum run in July '76 has been on my list for awhile. I'm hoping for a Road Trip to Waterbury (09/23,24/72) however I don't think we'll see a'72 release for some time especially a Fall '72 release.Check out 10/18 & 10/28 1972, Two very INCREDIBLE shows. How about a Palladium '77 run? May 04,1977 is an underrated gem. Just throwing in my 2 cents worth.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 8, 2011 5:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

Thanks, pretty insightful stuff!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 8, 2011 6:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

Your reviews are among the best. Thanks.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 7, 2011 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

July 76 Orpheum is some great music and I'd buy it, but I wonder how well it would sell. 76 seems to be consistently underrated since it was followed by the slightly better 77.

I had been thinking about this the other day and I wondered about the Spring 77 tour, but I'm afraid there are too many shows, some of the earlier ones are merely very good, and too many of the best ones have already been released.

I admit I haven't listened to the whole thing, but what about the September 17-20 1970 Fillmore East run? 9-19 is great, of course, and you and others were singing the praises of the 9-20 acoustic set. Is the rest worth releasing? Has it been neglected because some is available only in AUD? I see there's a discussion at deadlists about how much SBD may be in the vault. Or I was stumping some time back for the June 1970 Fillmore East run.

Tell's NYE collection is a fun idea, though I personally would be most interested in 1968-1972. But is 12-31-69 even the best night of that run?

Other than that, I've got no good ideas. Would the Aloha 70 set you're imagining be all five nights, including the three that I don't think circulate now?

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Sep 8, 2011 8:40am
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I read somewhere that 9/19/70 is not in the vault. But the sound quality on the circulating soundboard is so damn good it hardly matters.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 7, 2011 2:28pm
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I would love 7-76, but my guess would be on May '77. And this time expect The shows.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 7, 2011 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

"The" shows because they were widely circulated first because someone happened to leave them in a locker? Sure, they're excellent shows, as so many others that month are, but I'll take Hartford over any of them.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 7, 2011 8:15pm
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Don't want to stir the nest, but come on, Hartford seems to me still, not the monster it's been held up as. I love most of May, and have to hold up the 13th through the 18th as great examples.

Veblen and I were discussing this show, and his theory is actually valid. The guys were really polishing the setlist. If I were to look into it, I would say that the number of songs, and the order helped them to really hone the music.

Great? No doubt. But there just wasn't the spontaneity.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 7, 2011 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

What impresses me so much about Hartford is how unusual Jerry's harmonies are. After a perfect first set at Richmond and then a strangely pedestrian show in Baltimore, my sense is that he strove to be more exploratory in Hartford. Anyway, his solos in that show interest me more than any other previous show in the tour, and the crazy exploration continued into the Winterland trio in June.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by spontaneous--maybe free and easy and enthusiastic? If so, I prefer more thoughtful harmonic exploration, even if it sounds less spontaneous to your ear. But isn't one great thing about the boys that so many of us get so many different things out of their music?

EDIT: Or were you talking about New Haven on the 5th? I ask because you spoke of honing, which makes more sense early in a tour than at the end of one, as at Hartford.

This post was modified by Lou Davenport on 2011-09-08 03:35:39

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 7, 2011 8:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I was really talking about Hartford, but New Haven is a good example. I wouldn't have brought it up as it was so early on.

I do agree as you state, though, that the beauty particularly in the Dead, is that so much is in the ear of the beholder.

And you're also right, that the relatively short list of songs allowed a greater degree of freedom within each musical framework.

Don't get me wrong, I happen to hold the Spring 77 tour to be the epitome of the band's live experience, but I would have preferred that they delve a bit more into the repertoire. That's all.

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Sep 7, 2011 5:24pm
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I'd think multitracks get the priority and you may want to mix it up so Spring 1990 is my guess.....unless Brantford doesn't go along.

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Poster: Spiral Light of Venus Date: Sep 7, 2011 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

If we are throwing out wishes I have long wanted to see something that included the Warfield/Radio City run in 1980 that featured 3 sets (one acoustic, two electric) in all the blazing glory capable by today's digital masters.

For starters, great music in great venues and only parts really circulate in complete, high quality form. This short period of time was also a very unique, and elevated, chapter in GD history vis a vis the 3 set format, acoustic and electric ("both kinds of music here boys") sets to boot and great mixes/variety of song material. Plus, the venues themselves carry with them much in terms of cultural/historical significance, both to the GD and in general.

The acoustic element alone is worthy enough to me as it is a great format to listen to the Dead and these shows really served as the last time they really experimented extensively in this fashion. Furthur, to me, the acoustic capability of the GD should not be overlooked and this period of time as a vignette in the GD history is yet another example of the vast capacity of material, influences and capabilities that define the GD. Finally, these shows also serve as a mid-point on the GD spectrum and show how material evolved over the first 15 years and created a foundation for the next 15 years.

Yes, there have been releases that touch this period but I think there is enough here to warrant a major release complete with remasters and pictorial/editorial documentary additions. If we wanted to get really crazy the NOLA shows that popped in between the west coast and east coast could also get thrown in.

(~}:)

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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Sep 7, 2011 4:12pm
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I would love to see the Warfield '80 run as well. Dead Set and Reckoning were 2 discs I listened to a lot when I was getting into the Dead, so of course I have a fondness for that era. But for whatever reason don't have too many actual shows from that period now.

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Poster: polarized blue Date: Sep 7, 2011 9:53pm
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I think that it's been said that the reason there's a lack of the Fall 1980 shows is that they were recording the run to make an album - which turned out to be Dead Set and Reckoning, but someone decided to tape over many of the recordings rather than buy new tape. That sucks for us, but who knows why they did that? Were they short on spending money during this time, or just putting it up their nose? Maybe they honestly thought that some of the shows weren't very worthy of saving in the vault, so they just erased them... that's a hard one to believe.

Anyways, I'll put in another vote for a 1976 Box set.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 7, 2011 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what's next?

I have to think that both the Winterland February '74 or the Orpheum July '76 would be well received, but I personally would love to see what an 'Aloha '70' box might look like (I was just listening to 1/24/70 two nights ago) . . . would they include a New Orleans show as a bonus disc? . . . or would they include the Jamaica '82 show and go for an island theme? I'd prefer to keep it/them in the same run. . . . idle speculation.


This post was modified by duckpond74 on 2011-09-07 22:04:00